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Future start

Starting this early.--Isaac829E-Mail 02:17, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

My predictions = 19 21 named storms, 12 13 hurricanes, 6 major hurricanes. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 02:57, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

list would prob get up to lorena being a winter storm in hawaii :D 188.223.248.201 20:24, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

13-10-8. Outlook looking better and better. YE ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:04, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Season starting in a couple days :D --Isaac829E-Mail 20:15, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

10 days till season starts.Isaac829E-Mail 05:28, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Still thinking 14-18 storms, 6-9 hurricanes, 3-5 majors, and 100 to 120% of median ACE values. Pretty average season overall. Ryan1000 16:13, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

December

Well, it is December here in the Eastern Pacific, and unless we get a re-Winnie (1983), Paka (1997), or Omeka (2010), we are done here. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 22:25, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Farewell

It's about time that we start this section, since the EPac is shutting down for good. This year, unless we see a post-season surprise, we saw (counting the CPac) 21 depressions, 20 named storms, 9 hurricanes, and 1 major hurricane, and a total ACE of 71.9 (again, counting CPac). I'd say that we had an active season this year, although the ACE and number of majors was lackluster. Here's an overview of this season: In May, we saw 2 named storms and 1 hurricane, making it only the 5th time on record 2 storms formed in the month. June was inactive at the beginning, but near the end of the month, Cosme and Dalila formed, both peaking at C1 intensity (and Dalila crossed over to July). July was inactive, with only 3 storms forming in the month, Erick, Flossie, and Gil. Both Erick and Gil peaked as a C1, continuing a streak of C1s, and Flossie was a strong TS that did a rare Hawaiian landfall. Gil crossed over to August, the month that Henriette, Ivo, Juliette, and Kiko formed, as well as 3 freak CPac storms, Pewa, Unala, and 3-C. Henriette peaked as a C2 and was the strongest of the season till Raymond came along. Ivo and Juliette were just weakling fail TSs that barely affected land, and Kiko was only thought to have peaked as a strong TS before it was upgraded to a C1 hurricane in post-analysis. All of the 3 CPac storms crossed over into the WPac, achieving a rare feat which I don't think has ever happened before. Pewa peaked as a Severe Tropical Storm, Unala was a weak failure that was Pewa's lunch, and 3-C also became Pewa's dinner before it could do anything. Kiko crossed over into September, which was inactive IMO, with only Lorena and Manuel forming in the month. Lorena was a weak TS that brought some Mexican rain, and Manuel was a C1 that caused massive floods in Mexico, and has a chance of being retired next year. In October, the EPac became active again, with Narda, Octave, Priscilla, and Raymond forming in the month. Narda (TS) was a fail, Octave (TS) brought some slight rain to Baja, Priscilla (TS) was an epic, epic fail, and Raymond (C3) suddenly became the year's only major and the strongest of the season, it affected Mexico, and lasted a long time, restrengthening to a C2 before being gone for good. I'll say Raymond was my favorite storm in the EPac this year, as it put on a great entertainment show and was fun to watch during late October. Lastly, November was when the EPac put on one last show when Sonia formed on the first day of the month. It was just a weak TS that affected Mexico. So overall, it was a very impressive and awesome season that broke some records, and this season was more awesome then some of you think (despite the lack of majors). I don't think we will see anymore storms during the rest of this season, and this season will probably end with Sonia. So, let's all say farewell to what has been a cool season to track. I think we could see another active season next year, due to an El Nino that will probably come. —Steven09876 ^{Talk • Contribs} 02:52, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Steven, I would have waited until November 30 to do this. Anyways, you did highlight the major points of this season. For the record, Manuel is the costliest EPAC tropical cyclone on record, surpassing Paul (1982). Also, here are some more records you missed:

1. We are tied with 1968, 1987, 1994, 2006, and 2009 as the seventh most active EPAC season on record in terms of total storms (20).
2. The May activity made 2012 and 2013 the only instance of back-to-back EPAC seasons producing two May storms.
3. Barbara was the easternmost-landfalling EPAC hurricane ever.
4. Flossie actually did not make a landfall on Hawaii. It just barely missed the islands.
5. I would disagree about Ivo. It caused quite some flooding damage in the Southwest (as far as I know).
6. Three CPAC-WPAC crossovers actually happened in 2002, but 2013 marks the only time three successive storms did so.
7. Pewa did peak as a typhoon per JTWC standards.
8. Raymond marked the latest date for an EPAC's season first major hurricane on record (counting CPAC).

Overall, the 2013 EPAC seasons had more storms than last year and 2011 but fewer hurricanes and majors than the previous two seasons. If that El Nino pans out to be true, I expect this to happen. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 21:07, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, since the EPac is pretty much dead by now, I have nothing against starting this now. I'm impressed the season managed to crank out so many named storms, but the lack of ACE made it upsetting, with Raymond being the season's only major. However, I won't be forgetting the 2013 EPac season anytime soon, as Manuel marked for one of the worst known disasters in parts around Acapulco and Sinaloa. Flossie and Barbara are also some highlights, but neither of them were as severe as Manuel. Ryan1000 05:42, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Andrew, I have no problem in starting this now, since the EPac is pretty much dead anyways. I don't really care about those type of records, since I only mention the biggest and most memorable records that the season broke. I remember that the remnants of Ivo didn't even bring any rain to my house, although it was kinda humid outside and all cloudy. So I would still call it a fail, since it only peaked as a weak TS. I also didn't know Manuel was the costliest EPac storm on record! My chances of retirement are going straight up to 85%, I would have put it at 95% but it's only 85% because EPac retirements are completely random. So yeah, this season was very impressive overall, but the number of majors and the ACE was lackluster. —Steven09876 ^{Talk • Contribs} 01:39, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Eerie Comparison

Okay, I know this section is slightly off-topic, but it relates to Eastern Pacific activity. Anyway, assuming 92E becomes a tropical storm and Mexico, I would just like to point out the following comparisons between 2007 and 2013 so far:

• Both seasons had its first two storms form in May (and what is even creepier is that it is the same two names!)
• Both seasons started off with a "Tropical Storm Alvin".
• In both seasons, the storm named Alvin stayed out to sea.
• In both seasons, the storm named Alvin reached a peak of 1003 mbar (however, the 2007 "Alvin" had peak winds of 40 mph, whereas the 2013 "Alvin" had peak winds of 50 mph).
• In both seasons, the storm named Barbara formed in the last week of May.
• In both seasons, the storm named Barbara made a landfall in Mexico.
• Both seasons' third storm was a "Hurricane Cosme".

If anyone has additional comparisons, or any comments and/or questions about the comparisons or even this section in general, please feel free to leave them below. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 21:49, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

If only the Atlantic was in the same boat lol. We haven't even had Andrea yet there, but it's possible, according to GFS at ~284 hours, we could see Andrea pull a Barry '07. Ryan1000 00:26, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Barbara was a hurricane ................ YE ^{Tropical Cyclone} 04:49, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

I believe this comparison was made prior to Barbara even being named, so yeah. - HurricaneSpin (Talk) 06:55, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

No, I last updated my list when Barbara was a tropical storm. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 17:59, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Retirements at a glance

Now is the time to do this:

• All - 0% - None of them are worth retiring.

Isaac829E-Mail 20:12, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Isaac, are you sure Manuel is not worth retiring? $925 million (2013 USD) and 84 deaths sounds like a candidate to me, even if Mexico never retires names. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 11:07, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Manuel actually has a chance of retirement. The deaths and damage toll above, and also its flooding, make it a reasonable candidate for retirement. But if Mexico didn't retire Agatha, then Manuel could very well stay. EPac retirements can be completely random at times, and Mexico rarely retires names. Steven09876 ^{T |C} 23:42, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Steven, Agatha was more Guatemala's problem than Mexico's. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 20:31, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I just couldn't think of any better examples. :P What about Paul (1982) or Tico (1983)? Both of these hurricanes mainly affected Mexico and killed more than 100 people, but they weren't retired. Although most of Paul's deaths were in Guatemala and El Salvador when it devastated the countries as a tropical depression, it struck Mexico at peak intensity. Steven09876 ^{T |C} 22:36, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Paul was likely snubbed because most of the impact occurred as a tropical depression. I am not sure why Tico did not go. Liza '76 is a good example of a storm that should have been retired. ~1,000 fatalities = out. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 00:58, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

ERMAHGERD!! My predictions.

• Alvin? #No. WHAT A REAL CHIPMUNK lol
• Barbara? #No.
• Cosme #No.
• Dalila? Hey there Dalila, hows it like near Mexico? A rather weak Category 1 not doing anything but spin fish? #NO.
• Erick? #No.

More to come...

• flossie? Nah man
• gill? Lazy fishy
• HENRIETTE? Nah didn't do anything to Honolulu
• pewa? Lol, no
• uhnala? Uh, nala no.
• Ivo? NAH MAN YOU FISH om nom nom
• Juliette? TBA- you'd better please Romeo.

Rara HoovesFile:FANMADE Flying derpy vector.gif 20:28, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I would personally still wait a little bit on this, unless Barbara turns out to be something big for Mexico. Ryan1000 01:05, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Now that we have a reasonable number of storms, I will post my predictions:

1. Alvin - 0% - Try again, Mr. Seville!
2. Barbara - 1% - Being the easternmost landfalling hurricane and causing four fatalities as well as $1 million (2013 USD) in damage is not enough, especially by Mexico's standards.
3. Cosme - 0.1% - Three fatalities will not convince Mexico to retire this name.
4. Dalila - 0.05% - The fact Dalila did not kill anyone hurts its chances.
5. Erick - 0.2% - 0.1% for the one fatality reported, the other 0.1% is to show my respect towards Erick for finally becoming a hurricane.
6. Flossie - 1% - Hawaii got a huge scare from the system, but it was not that bad at all in the end.
7. Gil - 0% - It did nothing special. 
8. Henriette - 0% - Henriette may have broken our Category 1 streak, but it is staying.
9. Pewa - 0% - Similar to Unala, Tropical Depression Three-C, and Henriette, Pewa was a very interesting storm meteorologically, but impactwise, it should be long forgotten.
10. Unala - 0% - Unala was quite an interesting storm meteorologically. However, it became Pewa's lunch before doing anything.
11. Ivo - 0.01% - If previous serious storms to affect the Southwestern U.S. (Ignacio and Nora '97, Kathleen '76, Joanne '72, etc.) were not retired, Ivo should not.
12. Juliette - 0.01% - The lack of major impact from Juliette essentially means its staying. 
13. Kiko - 0% - Despite becoming a weak hurricane, Kiko was a fail. 
14. Lorena - 0.01% - See Juliette's section.
15. Manuel - 90% - This turned out to be quite the disaster in the end, coming back from the dead full force as a hurricane. $4.2 billion (2013 USD)  169 fatalities and all that deadly flash flooding makes it a near guaranteed retiree. If this storm hit the U.S., we would be looking at a storm with a 95 to 99 percent chance of retirement. Not even Ismael or Tico killed as many as Ismael. As much as I want Manuel to leave, keep in mind Karl caused $5.6 billion (2010 USD), but did not leave. 
16. Narda - 0% - A complete fail. 
17. Octave - 0.01% - See Juliette and Lorena's section. 
18. Priscilla - 0% - An even worse fail than Narda.
19. Raymond - 2% - It broke our non-major streak, but the rainfall and two fatalities will probably not get it retired.
20. Sonia - 0.01% - See Juliette, Lorena, and Octave's sections. 

AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 17:20, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Here's my predictions!

• Alvin - 0% - Hell no.
• Barbara - 1% - 4 deaths and $1 million in damage ain't gonna do it.
• Cosme - 0.5% - 3 deaths are not enough.
• Dalila - 0% - Nope.
• Erick - 0.6% - 0.5% for affecting Mexico, the other 0.1% is for Erick finally becoming a hurricane.
• Flossie - 2% - Affected Hawaii, but it wasn't that bad.
• Gil - 0% - Fishie.
• Henriette - 0% - No.
• Pewa - 0% - Didn't affect land.
• Unala - 0% - Didn't do nothin'. Maybe cause Pewa ate this storm up for dinner. lol
• Ivo - 0.5% - Not much impact, but it did bring a little moisture to my house as a remnant low.
• Juliette - 0.1% - Romeo is mad at this failure. It just brought rain to Baja and nothing more.
• Kiko - 0% - No land impacts.
• Lorena - 0% - Another failure.
• Manuel - 85% - Caused a whole bunch of flooding in Mexico and lots of deaths, and it's also the costliest EPac hurricane on record! I don't care what Mexico says, this storm needs to be retired, but since EPac retirements are completely random, there is still a slight chance it will stay.
• Narda - 0% - And, we have yet another epic fail...
• Octave - 0.5% - Brought rain to Baja, but it won't be retired.
• Priscilla - 0% - EPIC FAILURE!!! It has to be said.
• Raymond - 1% - Became the season's first (and probably the only) major hurricane, threatened Mexico and was an interesting storm overall, but it didn't cause much damage.
• Sonia - 0.1% - Didn't do much in Mexico.

Steven09876 ^{T |C} 19:03, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

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STO12's Predictions:

• ALVIN: 0% No impact whatsoever, no retirement here.
• BARBARA: 20% Not enough impact to Mexico to cause a retirement.
• COSME: 5% Far from land impact, no retirement for Cosme.
• DALILA: 5% A weak hurricane, but off the coast of any land mass, no retirement.
• ERICK: 15% Caused some impact to the Mexican coast, but not enough of an impact to create a retirement.
• FLOSSIE: 10% Caused rare but minimal impact to Hawaii. Flossie isn't really retirement worthy.
• GIL: 0% Just another addition to our streak of cat 1's, far from land too.
• HENRIETTE: 0% Was certainly impressive to see it do what it did. But no retirement is to be arranged. Hopefully Henriette will impress us just as much in 2019.
• PEWA: 0% A rare hurricane, but no retirement expected.
• UNALA: 0% A rare weak storm that caused no impact to land.
• IVO: 5% A weak tropical storm with a lot of moisture. No large impact.

ST✪12 02:05, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

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Ryan Grand Speaks:

East Pacific:

• Alvin - 0% - Sorry, which one was Alvin again?
• Barbara - 4% - Deserves some respect for it's impacts in Mexico, but they hardly ever retire names...
• Cosme - 1% - Caused indirect impacts due to it's massive size, but enough to retire? Nah.
• Dalila - 1% - See Cosme.
• Erick - 2% - 1% for the death, 1% for finally becoming a hurricane.
• Flossie - 10% - Some impacts on Hawaii, but nothing too severe.
• Gil - 0% - Turned out to be a fish.
• Henriette - 0% - Became a cat. 2, but no impacts on land.
• Ivo - 1% - No impacts on land while tropical, but the remnants did cause some impact in Arizona.
• Juliette - 3% - Some impact to Baja, but not enough to retire.
• Kiko - 0% - Impressed us with that little stint of intensification, but you know the drill. No impacts, no retirement.
• Lorena - 1% - Flooded southern Baja a little, but definitely not enough to retire.
• Manuel - 90% - Quite the flooding in Acapulco, even more in Sinaloa. As many as 169 deaths, and possibly over 4 billion dollars in damage, I think this could easily be retired...but Mexico has been pretty poor on nominating.
• Narda - 0% - More like nada.
• Octave - 10% - Probably not too severe.
• Priscilla - 0% - I've heard of failures before, but this? Seriously?
• Raymond - 1% - Caused some minor impacts, but mostly remained offshore.
• Sonia - 1% - Damage, if any, won't warrant retirement.

Central Pacific:

• Pewa - 0% - Persisted longer than I thought, but nontheless, it stayed at sea. 
• Unala - 0% - Pewa ate her up.

Those are my calls. Ryan1000 16:14, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

I'm just gonna give every single storm 42%, because we have absolutely zero idea what the WMO will do in the EPAC. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 20:28, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, some EPac retirements are completely random (Knut of 1987 taking the cake), but I hope the WMO is more serious with storms from now on. I could see Flossie getting retired if it is severe enough for Hawaii. Ryan1000 00:15, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not so sure if Flossie will make landfall anymore because the NHC predicted for her to make landfall on a previous prediction, then she was predicted to veer north on the next prediction (but will still make landfall), and on the latest advisory image it looks like it will brush the state instead of making landfall. Jeffrey was here ^{What's your iOS operating system?} 06:43, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Alvin: 0% fish

Barbara:2% death nor damage was enough

Cosme:0% not effects in any place aside from waves

Dalila: 0% She was one of the smallest tc in the Epac and his bro Cosme was one of the biggest aside from that nothing at all.

Erick 0% nop another fish

Flossie:5% damage in Hawaii was from minimal to non existant.not even a landfall occur

Gil 0% fa-fa-fai-fai-fail,fail fail

Henriette:0% No my dear you are staying with the other 7 names that have been use,better luck next time.

Ivo 0% and one of the worst and scariest name of the list was an EPIC FAIL.

Juliette. 1% for the person dead but I should give her a 0% another fail

Kiko 0% It challenge the NHC in intensity but nothing more.He is staying

Lorena 1% And the failings in this basin continues

Manuel.85% I would put it at 95%if it was another country but knowing Mexico he might very well stay after what happen with Karl and Alex was unexcusable.If this stay I would be sad but no surprise nor shock.The rain it left over Guerrero are discribe as the worst ever record in the area.He needs to be gone,Its a toss up right now because of Mexico lack of retirements.Also this cause 4.5billion less than Karl but if its retire it might mean that Mexico care more of deaths than damage we will see soon.

Narda: 0% such a dissappointment.

Octave:0% Fail

Priscila:0 Another fail in here

Raymound;???

CPAC 

Pewa 0%

Unala 0%

Allanjeffs 13:38, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'm just gonna list the storms that did real impact

1. Barbara 3% aint gonna happen
2. Cosme 1% No. Fat system, but this isn't the AUS.
3. Erick 1% Should go, but no
4. Flossie 20% Actually, it has a better chance than some of you think. Hawaii requested Daniel 06 and Kenneth 05 after all.
5. Ivo 2% Some flooding to the SW, but ther'es been worse
6. Juliette 1% One died, but that's about it.
7. Kiko 1% Fun storm, but impact next to nothing
8. Lorena 1% A crapper version of Kiko.
9. Manuel 50% Really don't know what to expect. (see below)
10. Octave 1% Epic storm, but no
11. Raymond 2% See above
12. Sonia 1% Love this storm, but again, no. Very late landfall though.

YE ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:36, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

And they were still not retire,if Agatha that kill hundreds didn`t go there is no excuse for Flossie to leave.Allanjeffs 16:33, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, Allan, that is not exactly true. The EPAC is the basin the WMO randomly retires names from. Alma was retired, but not Agatha. They retired Ismael, but not Norbert or Jimena. They retired Kenna, but not Liza, Madeline, or Lane. They retired Pauline, but not Tara. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 18:07, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Some retirements from the WMO seem random for EPac, but Flossie's chances of retirement are still slim. Just because some random names like Fefa of 1991 were retired doesn't mean Flossie will be. I have doubts it will happen, but it's not impossible. Ryan1000 21:08, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Alma was retire because it caused heavy damage in Nicaragua,Costa Rica and my country (Honduras) damage was considerable in two of the three.Ismael,Kenna and Pauline all have make a lot of damage,and the ones you mention shouls have been retire too.I will add Rick the same year as pauline many in Mexico suffer more than him than with Pauline and still was not retire.I believed Fefa was retired because it means something in Hawaiian or other language that means something for them,like what happen with Israel and Adolph.Allanjeffs 12:43, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Fefa could've been retired for being a threatening storm for Hawaii, like Hawaii nominated Daniel '06 and Kenneth '05, but unlike Fefa, they were turned down retirement. Alma caused some damage in parts of Central America, but the damage Alma caused was clearly much less than Agatha of 2010 and even Aletta of 1982 (which didn't make landfall) but neither of them were retired while Alma was. Some of them should've been retired, I disagree that Rick was that bad for Mexico although it was immensely powerful, but storms like Tara 1961, and Kathleen/Liza/Madeline of 1976 should've been retired, but they weren't. Tico of 1983 and/or Lidia and Norma of 1981 were also snubs to an extent. Ryan1000 21:52, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Agatha was not retire because it was not nominate by Guatemala,Alma was retire because Honduras and Nicaragua are more loosely  in retirement as they do so more than Guatemala.So they may have ask for the name.Paul should have retired too but I understand it wasn`t because it was only a td when affecting El Salvador.I am not sure if a td that kill thousands or hundreds can be retire after affecting a country can be retire later when they become a ts and don`t affect another landmass.Allanjeffs 01:15, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

(I know this thread is dead) :P Being a TD FTR is irrelevant. But regarding Paul, Central America was at war during that era, so that's worth noting. Aletta 82 is up there along with Paul in terms of it needed to be retired. Norma 81 isn't a real snub, Lidia 81 and Tico 83 are. Though I think Liza is the GOAT snub. YE ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:45, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Post-season changes

Alvin has a TCR, and upped to 60 mph.--Isaac829E-Mail 03:20, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

2nd southernmost TC on record for EPac, behind 1983's Adolph. Ryan1000 12:30, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Barbara's is out, not much is new. Ryan1000 06:10, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

It was reassessed to be slightly stronger than operationally estimated, though. 70 kts/983 mbar is the new peak intensity, versus the 65 kt/990 mbar operational peak. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 17:54, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

(Erick) was a remanent low six hours earlier and it its pressure was dropped from 984 to 983.Allanjeffs 21:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing's too special about Erick. It did kill two, however. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 21:47, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Cosme is out. Its pressure was lowered slightly from 981 mbar to 980 mbar, it became post-tropical while still at tropical storm strength, and it held on to hurricane status for 6 hours longer than operationally estimated in the ATCF file. Not much else has changed. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 18:57, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

KIKO IS A CATEGORY 1 HURRICANE ACCORDING TO POST STORM ANALYSIS! WOOOOO!!!! POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 19:34, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Da Floss is out too. POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 19:37, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yippee! I've seen ATL storms be upgraded to minimal hurricanes in post-analysis (most recently Nate '11), but this is the first case I've seen in the EPAC. Kiko's ACE is up to 2.1, and the new intensity is 65 kt/989 mbar, making us 20-9-1. Not much change to Flossie, but its ACE is up slightly to 4.2225. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 20:13, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad Kiko got the upgrade. We now have nine hurricanes, one less than last year. As for Flossie, it also came really close to hurricane intensity. Its pressure has been lowered to 994 mbar (hPa). Hopefully, we can see some more major upgrades soon! AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 01:16, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Not bad, I thought Kiko might have been a hurricane briefly earlier, looks like NHC confirmed it. Flossie's TCR states one man was injured and about 10,000 homes lost power. Wasn't too severe I guess. Ryan1000 01:37, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! WE HAVE A NEW TCR!!! YES THAT'S RIGHT, PREPARE YOUR CHEEKS, we have a storm that says nada. POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 23:34, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, yeah Narda's out. Nothing special with it though, I'm waiting for Manuel. Want to know what the NHC says about it's impacts. Ryan1000 00:24, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, Liz, you had to sing this song, didn't you? :P Anyway, nothing's special with Narda, and I'm waiting on Manuel and Raymond's TCR. —Steven09876 ^{Talk • Contribs} 01:59, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ivo and Octave are out now. Ryan1000 20:29, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Dalila's TCR is now out. It's peak intensity was upped to 70 knots/984 mbar. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 14:14, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Lorena, Manuel, Raymond, and Sonia have TCR's now as well. Lorena's peak intensity was raised to 45 knots (50 mph)/1002 mbar (hPa), although SAB estimates show a peak windspeed of 55 knots (65 mph). Sonia's peak intensity was raised to 40 knots (45 mph)/1002 mbar (hPa) and two fatalities were confirmed from the system. A trivia fact about Sonia is that it was only the third November landfalling EPAC system on record (after, I believe, Tara in 1961 and Rick in 1997). Manuel was not very well forecast. The NHC dropped its predecessor wave from the TWO for a while and poorly forecasted Manuel's formation. Its re-burst into a hurricane was also not expected; Manuel is the only EPAC system on record to make landfall over Mexico as a tropical storm, degenerate, and come back from the dead as a full-force hurricane. As for impact, rainfall exceeded 40 inches in Acapulco, and this rain overall killed 102 people directly and caused insured losses of $4.2 billion (2013 USD), the costliest EPAC hurricane on record. Also, the pressure of the hurricane was lowered to 983 mbar (hPa), while its winds of 65 knots (75 mph) were not change. Raymond was also not very well forecast; the NHC did not expect those intensity jumps the hurricane performed. There was some flooding in Mexico from Raymond, but it was nowhere near Manuel's. Lastly, the hurricane's pressure was raised to 951 mbar (hPa), while its winds remain at 110 knots (125 mph). AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 14:18, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yay, Manuel and Raymond's TCR have been released! With Gil, Henriette, Juliette, and Priscilla still remaining, looks like I lost in the betting pools. :( Steven09876✉ 02:05, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Replacement names

Okay, I know this may be a little premature for me to start now, especially for an EPAC season, but Manuel has killed 83 people, more than Alma or Kenna ever did. I also understand Manuel primarily affected Mexico, was has a bad track record of retirement. However, neither of those excuses will stop me from starting to making this section.

Here are my top 10 replacements for Manuel:

1. Mario (on the PAGASA naming lists)
2. Maurice
3. Mort (was used in 1997 in the WPAC)
4. Martin (was used in 1997 in the SPAC)
5. Miguel (Spanish version of Michael, which is on the Atlantic List IV)
6. Maximino
7. Mateo
8. Modesto
9. Melchor
10. Macario

Also, here are my top three picks for Flossie, if by some odd chance, Hawaii requests it for retirement:

1. Faith (used in 1947 and 1998 in the WPAC + 1966 in the Atlantic)
2. Flo (was the name of a monster typhoon in the WPAC in 1990)
3. Fauna

If anyone else wants to suggest replacement names for Manuel, Flossie, or any of the other EPAC names this season, please feel free to do so.

AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 01:52, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Mexico's most recent fatality snub, Alex '10, killed as many as 73 people, and Manuel has beaten that number. I think that the reason Manuel may get away with it is less because it's Mexico and more because it's EPAC, home to the Aletta '82, Tico '83 and Agatha '10 snubs. I think Mark would be a good name for a hurricane, but maybe not as a replacement for Manuel due to EPAC's focus on Spanish names, so I'll agree with Andrew's choice of Mario, with Mateo being a close second. Francesca could also be a good replacement for Flossie, but then again, it could be deemed too similar to Frances, which was retired from the Atlantic lists after the 2004 season. Faith, as also pointed out by Andrew above, may be better. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 02:52, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

The Epac that should use only spanish names should change Manuel to the following

Mario

Marco

Marcos

Manny (nickname for Manuel)but it they can change Rita with Rina then this one is possible

Martin

Mauricio

Miguel have a good chance imo

Milton 

Mateo which should have been the retirement for Mitch.

Allanjeffs 06:24, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Dylan, Francesca was previously used in the EPAC in 1966, 1970, and 1974, but I agree it is a little similar to Frances and therefore not get used. Allan, Marco is already on Atlantic List VI (remember this puny guy?). Marcos could be used, considering Marie, on Pacific List VI, and Maria, on Atlantic List III, are both on the Atlantic/Pacific naming lists right now. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 11:33, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, uh, uh, here they are!

• Malik
  
• Mancel
  
• Maron
  
• Marques
  
• Martel
  
• Marvin
  
• Michael
  
• Mikal
  
• Montel
  
• Montell
  
• Montez
• Mason
• Miguel
• Miguelito
• Mario

MAC	Male	Son (of)	Celtic/Gaelic
MACARIO	Male	Happy	Spanish
MACKENZIE	Both	Son of Kenneth	Celtic/Gaelic
MACON	Male	Maker	German
MADDOCK	Male	Generous, Giving	Welsh
MADDOX	Both	Son of the Lord	English
MADISON	Both	Son of Matthew	English
MAEMI	Both	Honest Child	Japanese
MAERON	Both	Bitter	Celtic/Gaelic
MAERYN	Both	Bitter	Celtic/Gaelic
MAGAN	Both	Pearl	Greek
MAGAR	Male	Attendant	Armenian
MAGEE	Male	Son of Hugh	Celtic/Gaelic
MAGNAR	Male	Strength Warrior	Polish
MAHARI	Both	Forgiver	African
MAHDI	Both	The Expected One	African
MAHON	Male	Bear	Celtic/Gaelic
MAIK	Both	Now	Hawaiian
MAIMUN	Both	Lucky	Arabic
MAINE	Both	Mainland	French
MAITLAND	Both	Meadow	English
MAJ	Both	A Pearl	Scandinavian
MAJED	Male	Praise	Arabic
MAJOR	Male	Better	Latin
MAKAIO	Both	Gift of God	Hawaiian
MAKALO	Male	Wondering	African
MAKAN	Male	Wind	Hawaiian
MAKANI	Both	The wind	Hawaiian
MAKOTO	Male	Sincere, Honest	Japanese
MAKYA	Both	One who Hunts Eagles	Native American
MALACHI	Male	My Messenger	Hebrew
MALCOLM	Male	Follower fof St. Columbus	Celtic/Gaelic
MALLOW	Both	By the River Allo	Celtic/Gaelic
MALO	Male	Winner	Hawaiian
MALORY	Both	Bad Luck	French
MANDAR	Male	Tree of Heaven	Hindi
MANDEL	Both	Almond	German
MANDELL	Both	Almond	German
MANELIN	Male	Prince of princes	Persian
MANJIT	Male	Conqueror of Knowledge	Hindi
MANNING	Both	Son of Man	English
MANNY	Male	Short for MANUEL	Spanish
MANSOUR	Male	One who triumphs	Arabic
MANTON	Male	From Mann's Estate	English
MANUEL	Male	God In Us	Hebrew
MAR	Both	The Sea	Spanish
MARC	Male	Warlike	Latin
MARCEL	Male	Young Warrior	French
MARCELL	Male	Warlike	Latin
MARCELLO	Male	Young Warrior	Latin
MARCELLUS	Male	Young Warrior	Latin
MARCH	Both	Walk Forth	Latin
MARCO	Male	From the name MARC	Italian
MARCUS	Male	Warlike	Latin
MARE	Both	The Sea	French
MAREK	Both	Warlike	Polish
MARIATU	Both	Pure	African
MARIN	Both	Of the Sea	Latin
MARINEL	Both	Of the Sea	Latin
MARIO	Male	Warlike	Italian
MARION	Both	From the name MARY AND ANNA	Hebrew
MARIUS	Male	Sailor, Roman Clan Name	Latin
MARK	Male	Warlike	Latin
MARKKU	Both	Rebellious	Scandinavian
MARLAS	Both	High Tower	Greek
MARLIN	Both	Bitter	Hebrew
MARLON	Male	Wild Falcon	French
MARLOW	Both	Slope by the Pond	English
MARNIN	Both	Joy Giver	Hebrew
MARO	Both	Myself	Japanese
MARRIM	Both	Chinese Tribe	English
MARSHALL	Male	Horse Keeper	French
MARTIN	Male	Warlike	Latin
MARTY	Male	Warlike	Latin
MARV	Male	Friend of the Sea	American
MARVEL	Both	To Wonder, Admire	French
MARVIN	Male	Friend of the Sea	English
MASAMI	Both		All Nationalities
MASHAKA	Both	Trouble	African
MASON	Both	Stone worker	French
MASSIMO	Male	Greatest	Italian
MATEO	Male	Devoted to God	Greek
MATIAS	Both	Var. of Matthias	Spanish
MATSU	Male	Pine	Japanese
MATT	Male	From the name MATTHEW	Hebrew
MATTEO	Male	From MATTHEW	Italian
MATTHEW	Male	God's Gift	Hebrew
MATTHIAS	Male	God's Gift	Greek
MATTOX	Both	God's Gift	English
MATTY	Both	Strong fighter	German
MAULI	Both	Black	Hawaiian
MAURICE	Male	Moor, Dark Skinned	French
MAURILIO	Male	Moor	Italian
MAURIZIO	Male	Moor, Dark Haired	Italian
MAURO	Male	Of Brown Skin	Latin
MAVERICK	Both	Wildly Independent	American
MAX	Male	Greatest	Latin
MAXIM	Male	Greatest	Latin
MAXIMILIAN	Male	Great	Latin
MAXIMOS	Male	Greatest	Greek
MAXIMUS	Male	Greatest	Greek
MAXWELL	Male	Great Spring	English
MAYES	Both	A Field	English
MAYNARD	Male	Powerful, brave	English
MCKALE	Both	Who is like God?	Celtic/Gaelic
MCKENNA	Both	Son of Ken or Kenna	Celtic/Gaelic
MCKILE	Male	Son of Kile	Celtic/Gaelic
MEAD	Both	From the Meadow	English
MEDWIN	Male	Powerful friend	German
MEIR	Male	One Who Shines	Hebrew
MEL	Both	Mill Worker	Celtic/Gaelic
MELANION	Male	Color	Greek
MELCHIOR	Male	A King	Polish
MELE	Male	Merry	Hawaiian
MELI	Both	Bitter	Native American
MELVIN	Male	Mill Worker	English
MELVYN	Male	Mill Worker	Celtic/Gaelic
MENDEL	Male	Scholarly Accomplishments	Hebrew
MENEFER	Both	Beautiful City	Egyptian
MERCER	Both	Merchant	English
MERCURY	Both	God of Trade	Latin
MEREDITH	Both	Protector from the Sea	Welsh
MERIS	Both	Of the Sea	Latin
MERLE	Male	Falcon	English
MERLIN	Male	By the Sea	English
MERRIC	Male	Ruler of the sea	Celtic/Gaelic
MERRILL	Both	Falcon	English
MERRITT	Both	Deserving of Good Fortune	Latin
MERTON	Both	Town near the Pond	English
MERV	Male	Loves the Sea	Celtic/Gaelic
MERVIN	Male	Loves the sea	Celtic/Gaelic
MERVYN	Male	From the name MARVIN	Celtic/Gaelic
MERYL	Both	Falcon	English
MERYLE	Both	From the name MERLE	French
MESSINA	Both	The Spoiler	African
MHINA	Both	Delightful	African
MIACH	Male	Medic	Celtic/Gaelic
MICAH	Male	Who is like God	Hebrew
MICHAEL	Male	Who is like God?	Hebrew
MICHEAL	Both	Form of MICHAEL	American
MICHEL	Male	Form of Michael	French
MICHON	Both	Who is like God	Hebrew
MICK	Male	From the name MICHAEL	English
MICKEY	Both	From the name MICHAEL	American
MIGUEL	Male	Who is l ike God?	Spanish
MIHALY	Male	Who is like God?	Hungarian
MIKA	Both	Wise Little Raccoon	Native American
MIKAILI	Both	God Like	African
MIKASI	Male	Coyote	Native American
MIKE	Male	Who is like God?	Hebrew
MIKEL	Male	Who is Like God?	American
MIKHAIL	Male	From the name MICHAEL	Slavic
MIKKEL	Both	Who is like God?	German
MIKKO	Male	Who is like God?	Scandinavian
MILAGRO	Male	Miracle	Spanish
MILAN	Both	From the city of Milan	Latin
MILANDU	Both	A Case to Answer	African
MILEK	Male	Victorious People	Polish
MILES	Male	Soldier	Greek
MILLER	Both	Mill Worker	English
MILLS	Both	Near the Mills	English
MILO	Male	From the name MILES	German
MILT	Male	From the Mill Town	English
MILTON	Male	From the Mill Town	English
MIMIR	Both	God of Prophecy	Scandinavian
MING YUE	Both	Bright Moon	Chinese
MINGAN	Male	Grey Wolf	Native American
MINH	Male	Bright and clever	Vietnamese
MINOR	Both	Junior, Younger	American
MINTY	Both	Collector of Thoughts, Determined Protector	English
MIO	Male	Mine	Spanish
MIRACLE	Both	Divine Act	American
MIRIT	Both	Bitter	Hebrew
MIROSLAV	Male	Peace Celebration	Russian
MISAE	Both	White Hot Sun	Native American
MISHA	Both	From the name MICHAEL	Russian
MISU	Both	Ripples in the Water	Native American
MITCH	Male	Who is like God?	American
MITCHELL	Male	Who is like God?	American
MITSU	Both	Light	Japanese
MIZELL	Both	Tiny Gnat	English
MO	Both	Dark Skinned	American
MOE	Male	Dark Skinned	English
MOESHE	Male	Drawn Out of the Water	Hebrew
MOHAMMED	Male	From the name MUHAMMAD	Arabic
MOHAN	Male	Attractive	Hindi
MOHAWK	Male	Native American Tribe Name	Native American
MOKE	Both	Form of Moses	Hawaiian
MOLIMO	Male	Bear Walking Into Shade	Native American
MONAHAN	Both	Religious Man	Celtic/Gaelic
MONET	Both	Solitary	French
MONROE	Both	Near the river Roe	Celtic/Gaelic
MONTAGUE	Male	Sharp Cliff	French
MONTANA	Both	Mountain	Latin
MONTE	Male	From the name MONTGOMERY	English
MONTEGO	Male	Mountainous	Spanish
MONTENEGRO	Male	Black Mountain	Spanish
MONTGOMERY	Male	Of the Mountain	English
MONTY	Male	From the name MONTGOMERY	English
MOON	Both	From the Moon	American
MOON-UNIT	Both	One that Orbits the Moon	American
MORAL	Both	Lovely Thoughts	American
MORATHI	Male	Wise Man	African
MORDECAI	Male	Warrior, Warlike	Hebrew
MORE	Both	Great	English
MOREY	Both	From the name MORRIS	American
MORGAN	Both	The Edge of the Sea	Welsh
MORLEY	Both	Of the Moor	English
MORPHEUS	Male	God of Dreams	Greek
MORRIE	Male	Moor	American
MORRIGAN	Both	War Goddess	Celtic/Gaelic
MORRIS	Male	Dark Skinned	Latin
MORRISON	Both	Son of Morris	English
MORSE	Male	Of the Moors	English
MORT	Male	Moor	English
MORTIMER	Male	Still water	French
MORTON	Male	From the Town Near the Moor	English
MORTY	Male	From the name MORTIMER	French
MOSES	Male	Drawn Out of the Water	Greek
MOSHE	Male	From the name MOSES	Hebrew
MOSS	Male	From the Water	All Nationalities
MOSTYN	Both	Fortress in a Field	Welsh
MUHAMMAD	Male	Praised	Arabic
MUNIN	Both	Memory	Scandinavian
MURPHY	Both	Sea Warrior	Celtic/Gaelic
MURRAY	Both	Sailor	Scandinavian
MURRON	Both	Bitter	Celtic/Gaelic
MUSOKE	Both	Rainbow	African
MYKELTI	Male	Who is like God?	African-American
MYLES	Both	Soldier	Greek
MYRON	Male	Fragrant Balm	Greek

I got these M names from Name Yo Baby. Like any of them?

And here are the name replacements for Flossie, should Hawaii kick her out!

Fajah 
Fawn 
Francelle

And now from NameYoBaby!

FABIANA	Female	Bean Farmer	Italian
FABIENNE	Female	Bean Grower	French
FABIOLA	Female	Bean Grower	Italian
FAIRLY	Both	The Far Meadow	English
FAITH	Female	To Trust	Latin
FALA	Female	A Crow	Native American
FALALA	Female	Born in Abundance	African
FALLON	Female	Of a Ruling Family	Celtic/Gaelic
FANCHON	Female	Free, Whimsical	Hebrew
FANCY	Female	Decorated	English
FARAH	Female	Joy	Arabic
FAREEDA	Female	Unique	Arabic
FARICA	Female	Chief of Peace	German
FARLEY	Both	From the Bull Pasture	Celtic/Gaelic
FARRAH	Female	Delightful	English
FARREN	Both	Wanderer	English
FARSIRIS	Female	Princess	Persian
FATHIA	Female	Victory	Arabic
FATIMA	Female	Daughter of the Prophet	Arabic
FAUNA	Female	Goddess of Fertility	Greek
FAUNIA	Female	Young Deer	Latin
FAUNUS	Both	God of Forests	Latin
FAUSTA	Female	Fortunate	Italian
FAUSTINE	Female	Lucky	Italian
FAUVE	Female	Wild and uninhibited	French
FAWN	Female	Young Deer	French
FAWZIA	Female	Winner	Arabic
FAY	Female	Fairy or Elf	French
FAYE	Female	Fairy or Elf	French
FAYLINN	Female	Fairy Kingdom	English
FAYOLA	Female	Walks With Honor	African
FAYRE	Female	Beautiful	English
FEDELLA	Female	From Fedelia or Fidel-faithful	Latin
FEDORA	Female	Divine Gift	Greek
FELICE	Female	Fortunate, Happy	Latin
FELICIA	Female	Happiness	Latin
FELICITY	Female	Happiness	Latin
FEMI	Female	Love	Egyptian
FENELLA	Female	Fair	Celtic/Gaelic
FENG	Female	Maple or Phoenix	Chinese
FENNELLA	Female	White Shoulder	Celtic/Gaelic
FERN	Female	A Fern Plant or See FERDINAND	English
FERYAL	Female	Beauty of light	Arabic
FEWS	Both	Woods	Celtic/Gaelic
FIA	Female	Weaver	Portuguese
FIACHRA	Female	Irish Saint	Celtic/Gaelic
FIDELIA	Female	Faithful	Spanish
FIDELINA	Female	Little faithful one	Spanish
FIDELLA	Female	Faithful	Latin
FIFI	Female	He Shall Add	French
FILIA	Female	Friendship	Greek
FILIPINA	Female	Lover of Horses	Polish
FINEEN	Female	Fair Offspring	Celtic/Gaelic
FINNA	Female	Fair	Celtic/Gaelic
FINNEA	Female	Wood of the Ford	Celtic/Gaelic
FINOLA	Female	White Haired	Celtic/Gaelic
FIONA	Female	White, Fair	Celtic/Gaelic
FIONN	Female	From FIONA	Celtic/Gaelic
FIONNUALA	Female	Fair shoulders	Celtic/Gaelic
FIONNULA	Female	From the name FIONA	Celtic/Gaelic
FIORELLA	Female	Little flower	Italian
FIORENZA	Female	Flower	Italian
FISSEHA	Female	Happiness, Joy	African
FLAN	Both	From Flannery	Celtic/Gaelic
FLANNERY	Both	Flat Land	Celtic/Gaelic
FLETA	Female	Swift	English
FLEUR	Female	Flower	French
FLO	Female	From the name FLORENCE	Latin
FLORA	Female	Flowering	Latin
FLORAMARIA	Female	Flower of Mary	Spanish
FLORENCE	Female	Prosperous, Flowering	Latin
FLORIA	Female	Flowering	Latin
FLORIANE	Female	Flowering	Latin
FLORIDA	Female	Flowering	Spanish
FLORRIE	Female	From the name FLORENCE	Latin
FLOWER	Female	From the name FLORENCE	Latin
FOLA	Female	Honor	African
FONDA	Female	The Earth, Grounded	Spanish
FOREST	Both	From the Woods	English
FOREVER	Female	Never Ending	American
FOUNTAIN	Both	A Spring	French
FRAN	Both	Free	Latin
FRANCES	Female	Free	Latin
FRANCESCA	Female	Free	Latin
FRANCINE	Female	Form of FRANCES	French
FREDERICA	Female	From the name FREDRICA	German
FREDRICA	Female	Rich with Peace	German
FREDRICKA	Female	Rich with Peace	German
FREIDA	Female	Wise judge	German
FREIRA	Female	Sister	Spanish
FREJA	Female	Norse Goddess of Love	Scandinavian
FRENCH	Both	From France	American
FREYA	Female	Goddess of Love, Fertility and Beauty	Scandinavian
FRIEDA	Female	Peace, Joy	German
FRIEDERIKE	Female	Rich with Peace	German
FRITZI	Female	From the name FREIDA	German
FRUMA	Female	One Who Is Religious	Hebrew

Anyway, sorry for the tables being extremely long, but in my opinion, the replacement name does not need to be within the same language (Portugese and English = Manuel and Flossie.) Like for example, Ivan (Russian) -> Igor (Russian) -> Ian (English), Hugo (English) -> Humberto (Italian), Rita (English) -> Rina (Hindu), Iris (English) -> Ingrid (Swedish).File:The fun has been doubled sigpic.pngHAHA, the fun has been doubled!File:The fun has been doubled sigpic.png 19:32, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, replacement names do not need to be in the same origin as their predesscor (e.g. Luis - Lorenzo). Anything not related to Michael/Matthew/Mitch/Marco/Marty/Max would be fine for Manuel, and anything not related to Fefa/Felicia/Fernanda/Fran/Frances/Flora/Florence/Fiona/Fifi would be fine for Flossie. I would prefer a Spanish name for Manuel, but the WMO has proven to chose almost anything for a retiree's replacement. AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 20:45, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Geez, these tables are sooo long. But anyway, here are my top 10 replacements:

Manuel

1. Mateo
2. Mario
3. Marcos
4. Maurice
5. Miguel
6. Martin
7. Melchor
8. Modesto
9. Marcel
10. Matthias

I don't think Flossie will be retired, but here are my top 5 replacements for Flossie:

Flossie

1. Flora
2. Fatima
3. Fallon
4. Francine
5. Flavia

Steven09876 ^{T |C} 01:08, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not expecting Flossie to be retired, but if it is by some random chance, I'd replace it with Flora. And it's not premature to begin this now Andrew, Manuel has a pretty decent chance of retirement, and even if it's only one name, it's enough to discuss replacement names for it (like Isaac of last year in ATL). I'd pick Mateo for Manuel, knowing it's a Spanish name and a pretty popular one. And Dylan, don't forget Tara 1961 and Liza 1976 snubs on Mexico's behalf. :( Their retirement track record really is poor. Ryan1000 01:12, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that Tara and Liza should have been retired, but I only mentioned names from the current naming rotation to stick on the safe side, since the only retired names are from 1982 (Iwa) onwards. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:55, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Retirements at a glance, part 2

Just like in the Atlantic, I will give my updated predictions for the Eastern Pacific.

• Manuel - 80%
• Flossie - 0.5%
• Barbara - 0.01%
• All others - 0%

AndrewTalk To MeContribsMail Me 22:25, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

I posted these predictions a couple hours ago in the original retirement predictions section, so I've deleted them from there and am re-posting them here:

"I said earlier that I wouldn't do this for the EPAC because their retirements are completely random, but I've changed my mind. These things are fun to do:

• Alvin: 0% - Low latitude won't earn you retirement.
• Barbara: 5% - Set records for its early impacts and how far east it hit at hurricane strength, but those impacts were less than severe.
• Cosme: 2% - 3 indirect fatalities, but that's it.
• Dalila: 0% - Loitered offshore.
• Erick: 3% - 2% for the minor impacts, and a bonus percent for being the first Hurricane Erick ever.
• Flossie: 10% - Rare Hawaiian impact, but didn't cause much harm.
• Gil: 0% - It became a hurricane... and that's it.
• Henriette: 0% - Stronger than Gil (and every other storm this year except for Raymond), but pretty much along the same lines.
• Pewa: 0% - Only memorable because it was a CPAC storm, and crossing into the WPAC helped too.
• Unala: 0% - "Om nom nom," said Pewa.
• Ivo: 3% - Caused a fatality and brought moisture to the southwestern United States. Not enough.
• Juliette: 2% - For the fatality. Not much to speak of, otherwise.
• Kiko: 0% - Put on an impressive burst of intensification that briefly took it to hurricane strength, but it remained well away from land, so no.
• Lorena: 1% - Unlike Juliette, Lorena didn't even have a fatality to its name.
• Manuel: 70% - Horrific flooding in Acapulco and additional destruction in Sinaloa. I'm erring on the low side because not only is it Mexico, but it's the EPAC as well; but $4.2 billion in damage and 169 deaths makes Manuel one of the worst storms the EPAC has ever produced and Mexico's worst in a long time, and it absolutely deserves retirement.
• Narda: 0% - :(
• Octave: 1% - :/
• Priscilla: 0% - >:(
• Raymond: 3% - Best storm to track in the entire WHEM this year, but the impacts were too light to merit retirement.
• Sonia: 1% - Octave 2: Electric Boogaloo."

--Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 22:45, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Here's my updated retirement predictions:

• Alvin - 0% - Early season fail.
• Barbara - 3% - Affected Mexico, but impacts weren't severe.
• Cosme - 1% - It became a hurricane and caused 3 indirect fatalities, but no.
• Dalila - 0% - Meh.
• Erick - 1.5% - 1% for the impacts, and an additional 0.5% for finally becoming a hurricane.
• Flossie - 2% - Impacted Hawaii, but it wasn't that bad.
• Gil - 0% - Became a hurricane and that's it.
• Henriette - 0% - 2nd strongest of the season (after Raymond), but it still didn't do anything on land.
• Pewa - 0% - First CPac storm since 2010's Omeka, but it didn't affect land.
• Unala - 0% - Pewa's lunch. "That was yummy!", said Pewa.
• Ivo - 1% - It's remnants affected my house, but it only caused cloudiness. It only caused very minimal impact on land, so no retirement here.
• Juliette - 0.5% - Didn't do much.
• Kiko - 0% - It pulled tricks on us by rapidly strengthening to a hurricane, but it didn't affect land.
• Lorena - 0.5% - See Juliette.
• Manuel - 85% - Disastrous flooding in Mexico and lots of damage and deaths, this could easily be retired if Mexico wasn't so conservative on retiring names.
• Narda - 0% - Epic fail!
• Octave - 0.1% - See Juliette.
• Priscilla - -1% - The biggest fail of the season. Congratulations.
• Raymond - 3% - Fun storm to track and the year's only major, but it did only a little bit of impact.
• Sonia - 0.5% - See Juliette.

—Steven09876 ^{Talk • Contribs} 23:24, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, looks like the EPac season is well over. Here are my final retirement predictions:

East Pacific:

• Alvin - 0% - Early-seasoner, but nothing noteworthy with this one.
• Barbara - 7% - some damage, some deaths, but retirement-worthy? No, especially not for Mexico.
• Cosme - 1% - Caused some coastal flooding, but that's it.
• Dalila - 0% - Not much can be said about this one.
• Erick - 2% - 1% for the impacts in Mexico, another 1% as respect for finally becoming a hurricane after 30 years.
• Flossie - 3% - It caused some minor flooding in Hawaii, but it's probably not enough to retire.
• Gil - 0% - Became a hurricane. What else?
• Henriette - 0% - See Gil.
• Ivo - 2% - Only minor impacts at most. No.
• Juliette - 1% - No.
• Kiko - 0% - Became a hurricane (discovered post-season, which is rare for EPac), but otherwise no.
• Lorena - 1% - Sigh...
• Manuel - 90% - Killed over 100 people and caused over 4 billion dollars in damage, but it's not getting a 100% because Mexico has a poor track record of retiring names.
• Narda - 0% - Well, this is 2013...
• Octave - 1% - Minor at most.
• Priscilla - Epic fail% - Nuff said.
• Raymond - 4% - Only major of the year, lasted a while, and was decent to track. But for impacts, there wasn't that much.
• Sonia - 1% - See Octave.

Central Pacific:

• Pewa - 0% - First CPac storm in three years, but not getting retired.
• Unala - 0% - Became Pewa's lunch. No.

That sums it up. Ryan1000 01:41, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Manuel retired

For the first time since 2008, a Pacific hurricane name was retired, he will be replaced with Mario for 2019. Ingrid is also gone in the Atlantic, replaced by Imelda for 2019. Ryan1000 20:13, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Mario for 2019, you mean? ;) --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:14, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

XD lol, can't believe I put that year in. Fixed. Ryan1000 10:38, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

Manuel really deserved retirement, if it wasn't retired I would been very surprised. I think Mario is an awesome replacement name right there! Reminds me of the video game character. Steve820✉ 23:42, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

I know, Stevie, why not let's get out the Nintendo Wii and play a game of Mario Kart? He'll be chasing Manuel all the way to Hogwarts where Professor Umbridge is! “i liek turtlez 17:20, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Can we stay on topic? YE ^{Tropical Cyclone} 21:34, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

I agree! Liz, can we stay on topic from now on? I like that you try to entertain and make us laugh, but if you go off-topic, people like YE might get mad at you. So, as a favor, could you remain on-topic from now on instead of talking about things other than hurricanes? This is the Hurricanes Wiki, not Mario Kart wiki or whatever. And in fact, I was the one who actually started the off-topicness with the last sentence on my previous post. Steve820✉ 00:36, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't mad, I was just asking a question. `YE ^{Tropical Cyclone}

Fine. I was just connecting ideas and tangents together, like what I usually do. In typical Ne-dom style. Anyways... let's not get onto any arguments now and leave it. Everyone is made up differently. “i liek turtlez 18:02, April 22, 2014 (UTC)